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SulemanSubhani
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Posted - 08/09/2006 :  12:49:58  Show Profile  Visit SulemanSubhani's Homepage Send SulemanSubhani a Private Message
Assalamaoalikum Sunni Brother And Sister
Please Pakistani Brother And mrana Come Here
And Give Prof From Quran O Hadees on Topic ilm-e-ghaib - (Knowledge of Unseen)

Talib-e-Dua,
Suleman Subhani
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mrana
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Posted - 08/09/2006 :  13:11:24  Show Profile  Visit mrana's Homepage Send mrana a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by SulemanSubhani

Assalamaoalikum Sunni Brother And Sister
Please Pakistani Brother And mrana Come Here
And Give Prof From Quran O Hadees on Topic ilm-e-ghaib - (Knowledge of Unseen)

Talib-e-Dua,
Suleman Subhani
NooreMadinah Network Team.



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mrana
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Posted - 08/09/2006 :  13:18:58  Show Profile  Visit mrana's Homepage Send mrana a Private Message
From the outset, we should first understand the meaning of Ilmul Ghayb. It
means 'knowledge acquired without any means'. Whatever knowledge Rasulullah
(Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) had, it was given to him by Allah Ta'ala. The
knowledge of Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) will not fall under
the category of Ilmul Ghayb.

The quality of Ilmul ghayb is exclusive only to Allah. No prophet, pious
saint or anyone has this quality. To attribute to any person any quality
exclusive to Allah is tantamount to Shirk (ascribing partners).

1. Surah Naml Verse 64, Allah Ta'ala says, 'Say, (O Muhammed (Sallallaahu
Alayhi Wasallam) that nobody in the skies and earth have knowledge of the
unseen (Ghayb) except Allah.
2. Allah Ta'ala says, 'Say (O Muhammad (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam)), I do
not have by me the treasures of Allah and I don't know the unseen (Ghayb)
and I am not an angel. I only follow what Wahy (divine revelation) comes to
me. Don't you realize.' (Surah An'aam Aayat49)
3. Allah Ta'ala says, 'By Allah is the key of the unseen. None has any
knowledge of it except him.' (Surah An'aam Aayat59)
4. Hadhrat Aaisha (Radhiallaahu Anha) says that person is a liar who says
Nabi (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) knew what was going to happen tomorrow.'
(Bukhari)

and Allah Ta'ala Knows Best

Mufti Ebrahim Desai



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Pakistani
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Posted - 08/09/2006 :  14:47:49  Show Profile Send Pakistani a Private Message
Walaikumassalam Suleman Subhani Bhai
And Jazak ALLAH Khaira Aameen

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Pakistani
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Posted - 08/09/2006 :  14:56:13  Show Profile Send Pakistani a Private Message
G Aap Nay Pihly Ayat Paish Ki Surah Nahal Say Ayat No 77
Aap Nay Jo Tarjuma Kia Jo Yahan Likha Hay Wahan SIRF Bhy Likha Jabkah Quran Main SIRF Ka Lafz Nahy Aaya Bataye Kahan Hay SIRF Ka LAFz Quran Main ?
is Ka Tarjuma Hay
Aur ALLAH Hy Kay Leye Hay Aasmano Aur Zameen Ki Chuppi Chezain Aur Qiamat Ka Mamila Nahy Magar Jaisay Aik Palak Ka Marina Balkah Is Say Bhy Qareeb tar Bay SHAK ALLAH Sab Kuch Karsakta Hay
G Is Say Kahan Sabit Hota Hay Nabi Paak Sallalla Hu Alaihe Wa Sallam Ko Ilm e Ghaib Nahy NaooZoBillah

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Watan Ko Ham Azeem Say Azeem Tar Bana Aain Gein ::: Quwat e Quran Say Muhabbat e Rasool say ::
Khoon e Dil Daykay Nekharein Gein Rukh e Barg e Gullab ::: Ham Nay Gulshan Kay Tahaffuz Ki Qasam Khaye Hay :::
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Pakistani
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Posted - 08/09/2006 :  15:04:58  Show Profile Send Pakistani a Private Message
Aap nay Dosri Quran Paak Say Jo Paish Ki Surah Fatir Ki Ayat No 38
Khud Apna Kia Howa Tarjuma Parho Aur Bataoo Yahan Say Kaisay Sabit Hota Hay Kay Nabi Paak Sallalla Hu Alaihe Wa Sallam Ko Ilm e Ghaib Nahy Hay
Aur Jo Aayat Aap Nay Paish Ki Is Say Kis Ko Inkaar hay kay ALLAH Paak Alemul Ghaib Hay
Baat yahan Nabi Paak Sallalla Hu Alaihe Wa Sallam Kay Ilm e Ghaib Ki Horahy Hay

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Watan Ko Ham Azeem Say Azeem Tar Bana Aain Gein ::: Quwat e Quran Say Muhabbat e Rasool say ::
Khoon e Dil Daykay Nekharein Gein Rukh e Barg e Gullab ::: Ham Nay Gulshan Kay Tahaffuz Ki Qasam Khaye Hay :::
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Posted - 08/09/2006 :  15:08:12  Show Profile Send Pakistani a Private Message
Aap Nay Tesri Ayat Quran Paak Say Surah TA-Ha Ki Ayat No 110 Paish Ki
Khud apna Kia Howa Tarjuma Karo Aur Insaaf Say Bataoo is Ayat Say Kaisay Nabi Paak Kay Ilm e Ghaib Ka Inkaar hota Hay ??


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Watan Ko Ham Azeem Say Azeem Tar Bana Aain Gein ::: Quwat e Quran Say Muhabbat e Rasool say ::
Khoon e Dil Daykay Nekharein Gein Rukh e Barg e Gullab ::: Ham Nay Gulshan Kay Tahaffuz Ki Qasam Khaye Hay :::
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mrana
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Posted - 08/09/2006 :  15:22:19  Show Profile  Visit mrana's Homepage Send mrana a Private Message
aap apni taaweelat dai rahi hain sura iyraaf ki ayaat # 188 ka kiya jawab hai aur iss hadeeth ka kiya jawab hai.
4. Hadhrat Aaisha (Radhiallaahu Anha) says that person is a liar who says
Nabi (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) knew what was going to happen tomorrow.'
(Bukhari)


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mrana
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Posted - 08/09/2006 :  15:35:13  Show Profile  Visit mrana's Homepage Send mrana a Private Message
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Originally posted by mrana

aap apni taaweelat dai rahi hain sura iyraaf ki ayaat # 188 ka kiya jawab hai aur iss hadeeth ka kiya jawab hai.
4. Hadhrat Aaisha (Radhiallaahu Anha) says that person is a liar who says
Nabi (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) knew what was going to happen tomorrow.'
(Bukhari)


ALLAH WILL BE WITH HAQ

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Pakistani
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Posted - 08/09/2006 :  15:36:38  Show Profile Send Pakistani a Private Message
Aap Nay Choti Ayat Jo Quran Paak Say Paish Ki Woh Surah Aaraf Ki Ayat No 188 Hay
Jo Tarjuma Karkay Aap Sabit Karna Chahtay Hein woh To Aap Ki KHATTARNAAK TAREEN Sazish Hay Zara Sa Khuda Ka Khauf Karo Aur Tafasee Utha Kay Dekho Kay Matlab Kia Hay Ab Sunno Step By Step Aur Tafseer Kay Saath
Aap Sallalla Hu Alaihe Wa Sallam Kih Degeye Mein APNI JAAN Kay Bhakkay burray Mukhtar Nahy Ab is Ayat Ka Shane Nazool Sunno Ghazwa Bani Mustalaq Say Wapisi Kay Waqt Raah Main Taze Hawa Challi Chupaye Bhagay To Nabi Kareem Sallalla Hu Alaihe Wa Sallan Nay Khabar Dy Kay Madina Tayyebah Main RafaAa Ka Inteqaal Hogia Aur Dekho Mere Naqa kahan Hay Abdullah Bin Aubay MUNAFIQ Nay Kaha Kay Inka Kaisa Ajeeb Haal Hay Kay Madinay Main Marnay Walon Ki Khabar To Dayrahay Hein Aur Apni Naqa MAloom Hy Nahy Kay Kahan Hay Nabi Kareem Sallalla Hu Alaihe Wa Sallam Par Munafiq Ka Yeh Kihna Bhy Makhfy Na Raha Huzoor Sallalla Hu Alaihe Wa Sallam Nay Farmaya Munafiq Log Aaisa Aaisa Kihtay Hein Mere Naqa us Ghaty Mein Hay uski Nakeel Aik
Darakht Say Aulajh Gaye Hay Chunachay Jaisay Aap Sallalla Hu Aalihe Wa Sallam Nay Farmaya Tha Ussy Shaan Say Woh Naqa Paya Gia is Par Yeh Ayat e Karema Nazil Hoye ( Tafseer Kabeer ) Phir Ayat Main Hay ILLA MASHA ALLAH Tarjuma Magar Jo ALLAH Cahay Yani Woh Malik e Haqeqy Hay Jo Kuch Hay Us Ki Atta Say Hay Phir Ayat Main Hay Tarjuma Aur Agar Main Ghaib Jaan Lia Karta To Yoon Hota Kay Main Nay Buhut Bhalaye Jama Karly Aur Mujhay Koie Buraye Na Puhanchy Tafaseer Mein Hay Yeh Kalam Barah e Adab Aur Tawazu Hay Mani Yeh Hein Mein Apni Zaat Say Ghaib Nahy Janta Jo Jaanta Hoon Woh ALLAH Ki Itla Aur Uski Atta Say ( Tafseer Khazin ) * Yehe Alhamdulillah Hamara Yani Ahlesunnat Ka Aqedah Hay * Bhallaye Jamma Karna Aur Buraye Na Puhanchina Ussy Kay Akhtiar main Hota Hay Jo Zaaty Qudrat Rakhay Aur Zaaty Qudrat Wohi Rakhay ga Jiska Ilam Bhy Zaaty Ho uski Tmam Siffat Zaaty Hoon To Mana Yeh Howay Agar Mujhay ghaib Ka Ilam Zaaty Hota To Qudrat Bhy Zaaty Hoty Aur Bhalaye bhy Jamma Kar Leta Aur Buraye Na Puhanchinay Deta Bhallaye Say Muraad Rahatain Aur Kaamyabiay Aur Dushmano Pay Ghalba Hay Aur Burayon Say Tangy Takleef Aur Dushmano Ka ghalib Aana Kuch nay Yoon Bhy Kaha Kay Bhalaye Say Muraad Sarkashon Ko Mute , Nafarmano ko farmanbardaar Aur Aur kafrion Ko Momin kar Lena ho Haisl e Kalam Yeh Hay Kay Agar Main Nafa Aur Nuqsaan Ka Zaaty Akhtiyaar Rakhta To Aay Munafeqeen Aur kafreen Tum Sab ko Momin KarDaalta Aur Tumharey Kufrey Halat Dekhinay Ki Takleef Mujhay Na Puhanchity.



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Watan Ko Ham Azeem Say Azeem Tar Bana Aain Gein ::: Quwat e Quran Say Muhabbat e Rasool say ::
Khoon e Dil Daykay Nekharein Gein Rukh e Barg e Gullab ::: Ham Nay Gulshan Kay Tahaffuz Ki Qasam Khaye Hay :::
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Pakistani
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Posted - 08/09/2006 :  15:41:04  Show Profile Send Pakistani a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by mrana

aap apni taaweelat dai rahi hain


Main Kaisay Taawelat Day Raha Hoon ??
Koie Tarjuma Main Nay Nahy Kia
Aap Kay Aik Tarjuma Main SIRF Ka Lafz Pocha Kay Kahan Hay Aur baqi Do ayaat Ka Aap Kay Hy Tarjuma Say Kaha Kay insaaf Karo Aur Bataoo Un Main Kahan Say Nabi Paak SallallaHu Alaihe Wa Sallam Kay Ilm eGhaib Ka Inkaar hay
Phir Aap Nay Surah Aaraf Ka Pocha Yaqenan Aap Ko Jawab To Ab Tak Mil Gia hoga Phir Aap Nay Hadees Paak Aik Paish Ki Insha ALLAH Step By Step Jawab Donga
Aur Agar Zara bhy ghayrat Hay Mere Dalail Ka Bhy Step by Step Jawab Dena

::: Auliya Ka Hay Faizan ::: Pyara Pyara Pakistan :::
Watan Ko Ham Azeem Say Azeem Tar Bana Aain Gein ::: Quwat e Quran Say Muhabbat e Rasool say ::
Khoon e Dil Daykay Nekharein Gein Rukh e Barg e Gullab ::: Ham Nay Gulshan Kay Tahaffuz Ki Qasam Khaye Hay :::
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mrana
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Posted - 08/09/2006 :  15:43:11  Show Profile  Visit mrana's Homepage Send mrana a Private Message
Yai jo waaqia apnay tahreer kia iski itlaa allah rubulizat nai Huzoor sallaho alai wa sallam ko di iss sai phelay aap ko itla nahi di Allah Rubul izat kai butanai per aap ko itlah huwi mai nai apni purani post mai attachment bhi ki hai uska bhi jawab dain.

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mrana
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Posted - 08/09/2006 :  15:44:30  Show Profile  Visit mrana's Homepage Send mrana a Private Message
sura inaam ayat 50 ki kiya taweel hai aap kai pass

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mrana
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Posted - 08/09/2006 :  16:02:31  Show Profile  Visit mrana's Homepage Send mrana a Private Message
Aap Nay Dalail Deye Pakistani Bhai NAy Rad Keye us Rad Ka Jawab Degeye Ab Ya Phir Pakistani Bhai Kay Dalail Ka Wait Kegeye

Edited by - SulemanSubhani on 08/10/2006 04:36:10
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shahrukh
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Posted - 08/09/2006 :  16:03:52  Show Profile  Visit shahrukh's Homepage Send shahrukh a Private Message
Quran O HAdees Say Baat Kegeye Na
DAR Lagnay Lagga Hay Jo is Tarah Ki BAkwaas KArnay Lag GAye Aap ?
Aaindah Ihtiaat Plz

Edited by - SulemanSubhani on 08/10/2006 04:37:23
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mrana
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Posted - 08/09/2006 :  16:07:18  Show Profile  Visit mrana's Homepage Send mrana a Private Message
Shawrukh bhai mai mufti nahi hoon lekin unki baatain quote kartaah hoon inko sumjhanay kai liya.
quote:
Originally posted by shahrukh
Dont Quote Any Bakwaas



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Edited by - SulemanSubhani on 08/10/2006 04:38:28
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