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Posted - 08/13/2006 :  05:39:13  Show Profile Send Pakistani a Private Message  Reply with Quote
LAst Dinoo Yahan Aik MUNAFIQ Aaya mrana
us Nay Kaha Kay Ulema Harmain Nay Hassamul Harmain Pay Jo Sign Keye thay Woh Baad Main Wapis Lay Leye Yani RUJU Kar Lia Mere Ilam Main Aaisay Koie Baat nahy So Main Jawab Na Day Paya Aaj Kaye Dinno Say Main nay Kaye Rabitay Keye Sab Jagga Say yehe Jawab Aaya Yeh JHOT Aur Ilzaam Kaye Arsa Pihlay Hussain Madani Nay Auraye Tha Par Woh Bhy Sabit Na Kar Sakka Aaj Tak Alhamdulillah Kiokah Jhoot To Jhoot Hay Haa Aik Baat Hay Allama Zanjjarani Ki Aik Book Hay Par Woh Hassamul Harmain Kay Hawalay Say Nahy Hay Balkay Alahazrat Radi ALLAH Anhu Say unka Kissi Baat Pay Ikhtilaaf Howa To us Ikhtilaaf Pay Hay
Mere mrana Ko Challange Hay Woh Sabit Kar aain Ulema HArmain Nay Hassamul Harmain Kay Hawalay Say RUJU Kia
Ya To Woh Books Dein Ya Scan Karkay Dein Ya Hawala Jaat Dein Par Saheeh Book Kay JHOTY Books Kay Nahy
Aur Haa KHABARDAAR Jo Wohi Jhota Article Yahan Post Kia To Baat Karni To Khud Likh Kay Karo


::: Auliya Ka Hay Faizan ::: Pyara Pyara Pakistan :::
Watan Ko Ham Azeem Say Azeem Tar Bana Aain Gein ::: Quwat e Quran Say Muhabbat e Rasool say ::
Khoon e Dil Daykay Nekharein Gein Rukh e Barg e Gullab ::: Ham Nay Gulshan Kay Tahaffuz Ki Qasam Khaye Hay :::
Anjuman Talaba-e-Islam

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Posted - 08/14/2006 :  05:46:52  Show Profile Send Madani Aapi a Private Message  Reply with Quote
yeh najdi munafiq hay ganda hay WA ALLAH
ghazalat ka balkay polandah hay WA ALLAH
jo murah kahay tum ko woh murdah hay WA ALLAH
to zinda hay WA ALLAH to zinda hay WA ALLAH
meray chashm e aalam say chup janay walay

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Posted - 08/14/2006 :  09:48:51  Show Profile  Visit mrana's Homepage Send mrana a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Subgani sahi yai delete karain phir baat ho gi. aap log galian baktay rain aur meri post edit kartain rahin to baat kaisay ho. iss liya is ko delete karain aur phir main hawaljaat aur scan phi karoonga kiyankai mera paas kitaab hai jiss mai likha hai unhoo nai rujju kiay iss madi aapa ko waning di jaye aur is ko delete kiya jai.
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yeh najdi munafiq hay ganda hay WA ALLAH
ghazalat ka balkay polandah hay WA ALLAH
jo murah kahay tum ko woh murdah hay WA ALLAH
to zinda hay WA ALLAH to zinda hay WA ALLAH
meray chashm e aalam say chup janay walay

LANATULLAHE ALAL ULEMA DEOBAND ( KAZEBEEN )



ALLAH WILL BE WITH HAQ
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Posted - 08/14/2006 :  10:11:47  Show Profile Send Pakistani a Private Message  Reply with Quote
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paas kitaab hai jiss mai likha hai unhoo nai rujju kiay

Ham Aain Woh Kitaab Nahy Chaheye Kay JIS Mein Likha Hay Kay RUju Kia
Jahil Ulema Deoband Munafiq Hain Ham Munafiqo Ki Baat Ka YAqeen nahy Kartay
Ham Aain Woh Book Do Jo Ulema Harmain Nay RAD Main Likhy Hein
Asal do Hawala Do Scan Karkay Do Link Do

::: Auliya Ka Hay Faizan ::: Pyara Pyara Pakistan :::
Watan Ko Ham Azeem Say Azeem Tar Bana Aain Gein ::: Quwat e Quran Say Muhabbat e Rasool say ::
Khoon e Dil Daykay Nekharein Gein Rukh e Barg e Gullab ::: Ham Nay Gulshan Kay Tahaffuz Ki Qasam Khaye Hay :::
Anjuman Talaba-e-Islam
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khalil ahmed rana
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Posted - 08/29/2006 :  03:26:14  Show Profile Send khalil ahmed rana a Private Message  Reply with Quote
assalam o alikum , yeh mrana sahib ne kuch din pehle nooremadina site per bhi etraaz kiya tha keh yeh bidtiyoon ki site hai is se door rahoo wagerah, aour saath apni aik diyobndi peer zulfiqar jhang (pakistan) ki site ka pta diya keh is ko vist kro , main us ki site per se un ke shijrah main se bazrgoon ke wahi mamoolaat nkaal ker mrana ko by email bheje aour kaha keh ab in ko bhi bidati kaho aour apni is site ke motaliq kaho keh is se bhi door raho, to mrana sahib ne jawab main kaha keh hazoor ko ilme gaeb naheen , yani sawal gandam jawab chna, in rana sahib ko chahiye keh kitab (husaam ul hermain ke so saal) az dr, altaf husain saeedi ka apne diyobndiyoon se jawab likhwaein , mera chaling hai keh diyobndiyoon ne aaj tak koi aesa molvi naheen peda kiya jo is kitab (husaam ul hermain ke so saal) ka jawab de, yeh kitab fikreraza.net per padhi jaskti hai. ranakhalilahmed@hotmail.com

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khalil ahmed rana
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Posted - 08/29/2006 :  03:53:41  Show Profile Send khalil ahmed rana a Private Message  Reply with Quote
mrana sihib apni mail main milaad, azan se pehle drood padhna , azan main hazoor sal allah ho aleh wsalam ka naam e mubarik sun ker angoothe chomna wagerah ahlesunat ke mamolaat ko bidat kaha , main ne in msail ke jaiz hone per diyobndiyoon ke hawale diye ,milaad per mrana sahib ke shajrah main se molana shah ahmad saeed mujaddi dehlvi ki kitab ka akas bheja , azan se pehle drood sreef padhne ke mutaliq diyobndiyoon asal ftwoon ka akas bheja , mrana ne kaha keh angoothe choomne ki hadees jhooti hai , main kaha is ko jhooti sabit kro , aaj tak mrana sahib is ko jhooti sabit na ker sake , ager mrana sahib ya kisi aour diyobndi ya kisi whabi main jurat hai to angoothe choomne ki hadees ko hhooti sabit krin. mrana sahib jawab dene ki bjae aese kehne lge keh qiyamat ko feslah hooga, mrana sahib kaan khool ker sun lein qiyamat ko bhi in se yehi sawal hum kerin ge, ager koi sahib (angoothe chomne ki hadees ) kitab padhna chahein to alahazratnetwork.org per otherbooks ke option per jaker kitab padh sakte hain. ranakhalilahmed@hotmail.com

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khalil ahmed rana
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Posted - 08/29/2006 :  05:16:59  Show Profile Send khalil ahmed rana a Private Message  Reply with Quote
yeh tinoon kitabein padhein aour imaan tazah krein. fqeer khalil ahmad rana
http://www.alahazratnetwork.org/dlibrary/bookson_alahazrat/hussamkay_100saal/index.htm
http://www.alahazratnetwork.org/dlibrary/other_books/angothay_choomna/index.htm
http://www.alahazratnetwork.org/dlibrary/other_books/tum_pe_karoro_durood/index.htm

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Pakistani
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Posted - 08/29/2006 :  06:05:28  Show Profile Send Pakistani a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Masha ALLAH
JAzak ALLAH Brother Aameen
Aap Sab Baat Yahan Kartay to Ziadah Munasib Tha Sab inka Haqeqi Chehra Dekhitay
Khair ALLAH Aap KO Ajar Day Aameen
Aur Guzarish Hay Yahan Bhy Aatay Raha Kegeye Aur Share Bhy Kartay Raha Kegeye
Wa Sallam
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mrana
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Posted - 08/29/2006 :  13:40:10  Show Profile  Visit mrana's Homepage Send mrana a Private Message  Reply with Quote
aslam-o-aliakum
Herr Shaks ko imaan buchanay ki fikr honi Chaye.
lekin dosroon per jhoot bandhna aur apni bidaat per jumay rehna achi baat nafi.
Mai nai sumjhanay ki aik koshish ki thi.
lekin brelvi hazrat apnay aap ko haq jamat sumjhtay aur un kai leader nai jo bidaat eejaad ki hain un ko huq sumjhtain to aap log sumjhi jain lekin mera farz tha aap logoon ko buta daina agay aap ki marzi. mai yahan per itnay dinoon sai aap ka aur apmay eman ko buchanay hi kai leye bahas ker raha tha.
meri taraf sai aap logoon kai leye dua hai kai eemaan ki sahi roshni naseeb ho jai.
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Originally posted by khalil ahmed rana

yeh tinoon kitabein padhein aour imaan tazah krein. fqeer khalil ahmad rana

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Posted - 08/29/2006 :  14:04:08  Show Profile Send Pakistani a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by mrana

aslam-o-aliakum
Herr Shaks ko imaan buchanay ki fikr honi Chaye.
lekin dosroon per jhoot bandhna aur apni bidaat per jumay rehna achi baat nafi.
Mai nai sumjhanay ki aik koshish ki thi.
lekin brelvi hazrat apnay aap ko haq jamat sumjhtay aur un kai leader nai jo bidaat eejaad ki hain un ko huq sumjhtain to aap log sumjhi jain lekin mera farz tha aap logoon ko buta daina agay aap ki marzi. mai yahan per itnay dinoon sai aap ka aur apmay eman ko buchanay hi kai leye bahas ker raha tha.
meri taraf sai aap logoon kai leye dua hai kai eemaan ki sahi roshni naseeb ho jai.
quote:
Originally posted by khalil ahmed rana

yeh tinoon kitabein padhein aour imaan tazah krein. fqeer khalil ahmad rana

khalil ahmed rana



ALLAH WILL BE WITH HAQ


mrana Sahib Dekh Rahay Hain Kon Jawab Day Rahay Kon Nahy ..
Aap Kay AIk Aur Jhot Pay OPEN CHALLANGE Hay
Zara Sy Bhy Sachaye Hay To Jawab Zaroor Dena Aur Mukammal Hawalay Kay Saath Warna Yaad Rakhna LANATULLAHE ALAKAZEBEEN

Aap Nay Kaha

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lekin brelvi hazrat apnay aap ko haq jamat sumjhtay aur un kai leader nai jo bidaat eejaad ki hain


YAhan Tafselan Woh Bidat Bataoo Jo IMAM AHMED RAZA KHAN FAZIL E BARELVI RADI ALLAH ANhu Nay Eejaad Ki Hain . Yaad Rakhna Mukammal Fehrist Aur Mukammal Hawalay Kay Saath
Insha ALLAH MUNH Ki Khaoo Gay Jahilan e Deoband Ki Haqeqat Khul Rahy Hay
Yeh Jo Tum Naa Baar Baar Duaon Say Guzarah Kartay Ho Jab Jawab Nahy Banta To Heelay Bahanay Kartay Ho Same Yehe Tareka Yahudio Eesayoo Qadianio Ka Hay Unkay Pass Bhy Jawab Nahy Hota To Yehe Kihtay Hain Kay Ham HAQ Baat Ki Samjhanay Ki Kosish Ki Etc Etc To Yeh Unka Tareka Choro Quran o Hadees Say Baat Kia Karo
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khalil ahmed rana
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Posted - 08/29/2006 :  22:10:03  Show Profile Send khalil ahmed rana a Private Message  Reply with Quote
m rana sahib jab bhi aap baat shro kerte hain , to dermiyaan main se kion bhaag jaty hain, aap se siraf itni guzarish hai keh ager aap diyobndi ulma ki ibaraat ko haq samjhte hain to in ibartoon per humare aetrazaat ka jawab bhi dein , kiya aap se yeh motaleba darust naheen?, ager aap in ebartoon ko haq samjhte hain to kitab (husamulhermain ke so saal) ka jawab qistoon main de dein , is maim shermane ki kiya baat hai,aap ne aaj tak apne shijrah ke bazrgoon ki bidaat ka jawab naheen diya , jo bhi bidati ho us ko bidati kehne main kiya harj hai , aap hum se in ke hawaloon ka motaleba krein , hum aap ko asal kitaboon ke safhaat ka photo bhejein ge, aap angothe chomne ki hadees ko jhooti kehte hain , aap se bar ha motaleba kiya keh is ko jhoti sabit krein , to aap is ka jawab kion naheen dete, ager aap haq per hain to as ko jhoti sabit krein , aap baat shro krke bhagte kion hain , yeh baat yaad rkhein kitab ( husamulhermain ke so saal ) main aap ke ulma ke aajk tak tamaam etrazaat ka jawab hai , ager himat hai aour aap haq per hain to is kitab ka jawab zaroor daein , wrna hum yehi samjhein ge aap bhi dosre diyobndiyoon ki vrah shararti hain, jhoote hain, jab aap ko jawab naheen aata to aap kehna shro ker dete hain keh main ne haq baat keh di koi mane ya na mane , yeh bhagne ka acha triqah hai, aap aour aap ke molvi is main maher hain , jawab ka muntazer. ranakhalilahmed@hotmail.com

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mrana
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Posted - 08/30/2006 :  11:07:17  Show Profile  Visit mrana's Homepage Send mrana a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Angotha chomna

We haven’t located any authentic source which proves this act to be Mustahabb. The basis of those who claim that this is Mustahabb is the narration that says this was the habit of Sayyiduna Abu Bakr [Radhiallaahu anhu].

Allaamah Sakhawi [ra] had stated in ‘al-Maqaasidul Hasanj’ (pg.384 Hadith1021) that some people quoted this to be the practice of Sayyiduna Abu Bakr [Radhiallaahu anhu], but this is unauthentic and incorrect. Therefore, one cannot conclude that this is Mustahabb based on this unreliable narration only.

Allaamah Shami [ra] after quoting the verdict of some who claim that it is Mustahabb, later quoted others who refuted its authenticity. (Shaami vol.1 pg.398)

and Allah Ta'ala Knows Best

Moulana Muhammad ibn Moulana Haroon Abassommar
FACULTY OF SPECIALTY IN HADITH SCIENCES

checked & approved by: MUFTI EBRAHIM DESAI (FATWA DEPT.)

Angotha chomna #2

It should be borne in mind that Nabi [sallallaahu alayhi wasallam] is the prophet of Allah. Allah is the Creator, Nourisher and Cherisher. A Nabi [sallallaahu alayhi wasallam] too is bound by the laws of Almighty Allah Ta’ala and has to express submission and subjugation to Allah Ta’ala. Nabi [sallallaahu alayhi wasallam] himself said, ‘I am but just a humble slave of Allah’.

Nowadays, there are those who surpass the limits of respect with the result of elevating the status of Rasulullah [sallallaahu alayhi wasallam] to the status of Allah. Nabi [sallallaahu alayhi wasallam] said, ‘Do not exaggerate in my praises as the Christians exaggerated in the praises of Eesa [alayhis salaam], thus, raising him to the position of God.’

Respect for Rasulullah [sallallaahu alayhi wasallam] dictates emulating his teachings. It would be disrespectful to do anything against the Sunnah of Rasulullah [sallallaahu alayhi wasallam]. Kissing the thumbs upon hearing the name of Rasulullah [sallallaahu alayhi wasallam] has no basis in Shari’ah. To carry out such an act as a Sunnah is bid’ah and sin.

and Allah Ta'ala Knows Best

Mufti Ebrahim Desai

Answer #3

he aforementioned practice is unfortunately very widespread in different parts of the world. Consequently, it has been based on a narration which has been classified as a fabrication by the masters of Hadith, i.e. Hafiz Sakhawi (RA) (AlMaqaasidul Hasana pg.450); Hafiz Ibnuddaiba (Tamyeez uthayba pg.171-2); Hafiz Ibn Taahir al-Fattaany (Tazkiratul Mawdhoo'aat pg.34); Shaykh Abdul Fattah Abu Ghuddah (footnotes on Al-Masnoo of Mulla Ali Qari pg.169) and others.

Considering such an action to be Waajib, Sunnat or as part of Deen is wrong.

and Allah Ta'ala Knows Best

Ml. Muhammad ibn Moulana Haroon Abassommar
FACULTY OF SPECIALTY IN HADITH SCIENCES

CHECKED AND APPROVED: Mufti Ebrahim Desai (Fatwa Department)


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Edited by - mrana on 08/30/2006 11:10:43
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khalil ahmed rana
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Posted - 08/31/2006 :  00:32:50  Show Profile Send khalil ahmed rana a Private Message  Reply with Quote
m rana sahib ahle sunat ka maslik yeh hai keh azaan main naam mubarik sun ker angoothe choomna mustahab hai, aour yeh zaeef hadees se sabit hai, aour zaeef hadees fazail main motaber hai, sab ka is per aetfaaq hai, aap ne kaha tha keh yeh angothe chomne wali hadees jhooti hai , main ne yeh kaha tha keh aap ise jhothi sabit krein , aap is baat ka jawab dene ki bjae aour aour batein shroo ker dete hain , main ne yeh araz kiya tha mujhe engish naheen aati , aap ne yeh jo jawab diya hai meri samjh main to naheen aaya, rooman english likhein , main ne apni kitab ( angothe chomne ki hadees ) ka uooper link bhi diya hai , aap us ka apny muftiyoon se jawab likhwaein , angooth choomne ko aap ke ulma ne bhi mustahab kaha hai, is main jhagde wali koi baat naaheen , bus ab aap is per amal shroo krein, aap ahle sunat ki koi bhi kitab naheen padhte , aap meri poori kitab padhein , is main jo baat ya hawalah jhoota hai us ki nishan dahi krein, aour urdu main likhein , khalil ahmed rana

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Posted - 08/31/2006 :  01:07:47  Show Profile Send khalil ahmed rana a Private Message  Reply with Quote
m rana sahib is fqeer ne aap se aik sawal yeh bhi kiya tha keh aap jin amoor ko biat kehte hain , wahi bidatein aap ke bazrgoon se bhi sabit hain , to kiya woh bhi bidati hain ya naheen ? aap is ka jawab kion naheen dete .
aap se yeh bhi araz ki thi keh humare dosat dr, altaf husain saeedi sahib ne apni kitab (husam ul hermain ke so saal ) main aap ke molyoon ki taraf se husam ul hermain per tamam aetraazat ka jawab diya hai , ab aap se yeh sawal hai keh aap ke paas in ka kiya jawab hai? ab aap ki taraf yehi teen sawal hain .
(1) fiqah hanfi main angothe chomna mustahab hai aap ise biat kion kehte hain ?
(2) ahle sunat ke jin amoor ko aap biat kehte hain wohi amoor aap ke bazrgoon se sabit hain , to kiya wajah keh woh bidati kion naheen?
(3) aap apne ulma ki ibartoon ke difa main jo jawabat dete hain kitab( husam ul hermain ke so saal ) main in per garift ki gai hai , aap ke paas in ka kiya jawab hai , kitab husam ul hermain ke so saal padhne ke liye uooper link de diya geya hai , aap is ka urdu main jawab likh ker is tarah link dein takeh sari duna padhe , umeed hai aap meri batein jan gae hoon ge .

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Posted - 08/31/2006 :  01:12:12  Show Profile Send khalil ahmed rana a Private Message  Reply with Quote
http://www.islamieducation.com/library/books/b-id07/index.html?id01

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Posted - 08/31/2006 :  09:44:28  Show Profile Send Pakistani a Private Message  Reply with Quote
mrana Yahan To OPEN CHALLANGE Keye Gaye Hain Aap Nay Aik Bhy Jawab Nahy Dia Kitnay Guzar gaye Sabit Hotay Aap Bhy Jahilan e Deoband Ki Tarah Jhotay Hain Aur Jhoto Kay Leye Quran Paak Main Hay
LAANATULLAHE ALAL KAZEBEEN
Baqi Anghotha Chominay Kay Hawalay Say Khalil Bhai Nay Pori Book Post UsPay Baat Karnay Bajaye Aap Apni Baat Karnay Pay Aagaye Jabkah Baarha Aap Say Kaha Gia Kay Tareka Yeh Hota Hay Jo Dalail Deye Jayein Pihlay Unka Rad Kia Jata Hay Baad Main Apnay Dalail Ya Fatway Deye Jatay Hain Par Hamesha Ki Tarah GHABRAHAT Wala Tareka Apnaya Aap Nay Aur Bagahir Behas Keye Apni Baat Ghuma Phir Kay Karkay Nikal Parray Abhy Insha ALLAH Aap Kay Paol Kholita Hoon
Pihlay To Yeh Hamara Nazariya Dekhain Aur Plus Saboot Bhy Kuch
Na Ham Wajib Kihtay Hain Na Farz balkah Mustaheb Kihtay Hain Ham



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